I think I now know why so many serious traders have left this forum. We mention some high probability trades that we are doing and in some cases they work and sometimes do not. Last week monday I said gold was a definite buy and within 2 days it yielded 100% (angsbk 11 to 24, gfisbi 25 to 46, harsbh 8 - 13). I then said because gold had broken 850 which I did not expect at all, I will sell into short term rallies which I did. Now ang I firmly believe is a buy for 2 months and the reason why .....is that its the only class act and myself and lots around here burnt our behinds a few years back on drd and have since learn't from our mistakes. We do not mention the day to day trades that keep us in this markets for years because only your own experience will tell you that and furthermore the trade is generally over before one can even post about it. My only trade today was sbkdbx...in and out within an hour for R20k. And yes they have also been many and "in and out" for a 20k loss. Point is myself and some others are trading for greater than 10 years...every single day....and it is our primary source of income. Round here everything seems to be becoming a childish *****fight with far too many wannabe Buffets around....and the sense of brotherhood seems to have disappeared and morphed into a roulette table scence at Monties. I sincerely wish youz all the best *hic*! ADIOS!