Been watching this banter for some time,been around for long enough to have seen this nonsense before, been lead astray by chartists retrospective bearish nonsense when I didn't understand trading. Im gonna say this once trading is what happens in the moment on the day and your ability to read it, lets call this your edge your setup with a stop. It has nothing to do with your ability to predict especially in retrospect so its about understanding and trading. I once also thought chartist had something to teach but once I saw the quantity of his trades he takes the fact that he was in and out 100 times a day I realized even if he understands it he doesn't do it. His need to be right has cost many traders a lot of money when he calls it wrong i.e any day when the market goes up instead of down. What happened to the million rand challenge ect ect. Truely chartist desire and need to be on this forum is just sad why doesn't he take his tower of knowledge and go implement it make huge money and leave us fools alone. Im sure that chartist has something to teach but when listening take it with a pinch of salt and learn to take your own trades. and a final comment to riaan, trading is about being humble and receptive, boasting about your point score is poor form and predicting levels a market will reach shows a lack of insight and market experience. There you go done ranting, feels good, cheers for another 4 years