Hey duke, I'm hanging in. I was fortunate to make some money on the freefall yesterday, bought at 4 and sold at 8. I reackon the share is priced correctly now and can grow from here, albeit slowly. The Nov 28th interims should give us a good idea of what is or isn't on track. Personally, and it is OMO, I think the BEE deal won't materialise, or they will have to give them more time to secure the orders. But even without the packs, I think they will do ok. They have a number of contract customers in the larger retail and pharmaceutical sectors and these offer regular revenue, albeit at lower profit. I think if they are on track to produce their forecated R 100 million revenue for the year ending Feb 2008, then that relates to a forward PE of 3-4 at current prices, which should bode well for a recovery in the price. OMO, but I think we'll be back to over 20cents by May 08.