Have your Say..portfolio committee on agriculture,forestry and fisheries

[john_1]

As we all know land and land redistrobution is a very topical subject. I see in the paper a call to the public to express your democratic rights on this subject by way of submitions and public hearings on this subject. To take place on the 17th september in palement. With writen submitions to be made before the 10th september. address to [email protected], or by phone to 021-4038244......this is your chance to actually put voice into what you believe and use the democratic proccess to your benifit. I hope the topguns of this world use this oppertunity. Cheers.

[#2]

My guess is that land will be nationalised, so I say start preparing and have good ideas for a nationalisation scenario. As I see it productive farmers could stay on the land and work state lands after nationalisatio. Prospective farmers could be given small farms and if they farm well could be given more. The initial shock of nationalisation could be lessened if no abrupt changes were made to farming patterns except for available land to be made quickly available to prospective small farmers. Seems to me if people are working state land there will not be such a desire to replace good farmers

[HateGauteng]

The big question is? Do the people want to go back to the land? Looking at the rate of urbanisation in SA post 94, I wouldn't think so! Life is tough out in the bush. Economic opportunities are better in urban centres. Based on this question, government should re-evaluate the land reform system. People cannot be dumped on the land Zim stlye!

[striker]

Eddie - it appears you are quite comfortable with this scenario. Nationalise farm land and we will witness not only a replica of Zimbabwe but a precedent for all other forms of nationalisation. IF that is our future,heaven help us !!!

[#5]

Mozambique land was nationalised and Zimbabwe land was not. There is far more order in Mozambique than in Zimbabwe. Land in Zimbabwe seems to have been nationalised in a the iformal sense of invasions

[SimonPB]

well the reason it is going back to the portfolio committee is because the courts (uup to constitutional court) have rejected parts of the previouus attempts at a bill ..

[#7]

Do you not know that we are in now in the last stage of the Revolution in SA ? The iron fist of Stalinist Bolshevism via their army,COSATU.Get ready folks,it's going to get wild now....the Rand-collapse is almost ready for the swan dive.GOLD IS NOW THE WEALTH.( and you'd better keep it close.)The Rand is a useless piece of paper. So who cares about what Committee...heh.The Big Pic rules.Kill Rand.Bye-bye Rainbow nation....simple.

[#8]

Food should be a good investment. Investors daily edge says with the population expanding this is the new commodity to invest in. Even if we were to turn 100% communist there would probably be a swing towards a more capitalist situation as in Cuba where there has been more privatisation in the farming field. People survive in Cuba. The real gripe is that there is such a gap between rich and poor. For instance the rich can afford to sue a doctor (costs millions to get expert evidence) but the poor cannot, so bye to justice if someone dies through medical negligence unless you are rich. The law says there is equality before the law, but with some having justice and others not are in a lawful situation?

[striker]

Land conviscations,nationalisation or invasion all point to the following - a communistic state , but more significantly the last throw of the dice for a Govt. losing it's power grip and desperately trying to hold onto it.

[#10]

I do not think I have ever heard of land invasions in a communist state. Zimbabwe was capitalist, Mozambique was a communist (peoples republic). Think FRELIMO (Marxist-Leninist political party) came to power in 1975 in Mozambique. In social democracies which are embraced by western capitalists there is a tax that ensures old people and others get health benefits and so on. Norway, Sweden etc have this socialist component - heavy tax but excellent benefits. After the collapse of The Soviet Union there was not the support for communist countries, and I believe we cannot ever have a pure communist situation. Every system has good with 100% employment in communism, but also lack of incentive, so a mix seems the best.

[john_1]

My own view is that there is a "third force" in the political land scape... The chinese..

[grommet]

look like with mineral rights

[striker]

Whichever way you look at it, the ANC is taking this country down the wrong path - Clem Suntners low road scenario.

[john_1]

well if things can nationalised and the chops in power can be bought .. its a very cheap way to get iron and platinum etc..

[Shado]

Well, first of all we should all ask ourselves this simple question , why do we need land redistribution in SA?and we need to realise that if this is done in orederly fashion we will be fine, thsi goes back to teh simples economic basis of four factors of production , in if one of them is unavaiable ( Natural resources , there is almost no stability in teh any country

[#16]

I have the feeling that if we do not have land redistribution there will be more farm attacks (like Zimbabwe?). Many people could be put onto small pieces of land with instructions from government on what crops to grow, where to put produce for collection, etc Again I say industrial hemp grows prolifically, does not need watering, prevents soil erosion, etc and is being grown illegally for building purposes anyway - heard this on a chatline. Also see http://www.hemporium.com/

[topgun]

Just goes to show...you can fool most of the people most of the time. Some of us also appear to be visually challenged, seemingly unable to recognise the colour of the flags being waved across the country...a real incentive for capitalists. What, besides land can be promised to the restless and unskilled masses? Urban jobs perhaps in an economy that creates none and where unemployment in the townships now exceeds 40% among the under 25's? Or more welfare and "free" services? And the constitution will prevent land invasions/involuntary redistribution.and be enforced by the police/army given their effectiveness in preventing the genocide on the farms? This juggernaut steered by a bunch of venal kleptocrats and cronies has reached a point where it is now fuelling itself..for deserved self-destruction. A true Orwellian nightmare for the liberals.

[SimonPB]

the "restless and unskilled masses" don't want land .. this the gov knows because they did a survey back in 2006 around the issue ..

[striker]

Okay - so I wonder how they gonna buy votes ? Dont think the Pie,Coke and T-shirt ala Malema will do it.

[Shado]

Africa is gone - and instead of complaining all day long I'm going back to the promised land , the land of milk and honey - Europe