Damn Barry, I was hoping you did know more about them, because I am trying to understand their hedge situation. Their production is mostly hedged (and nicely too!) but this expires in July, so I don't know what hte cash flow situation is likely to look like in the near future. I also have to assume that most of this is known and priced in, put given the recent rally on a copper price that is irrelevant, given the hedge, I don't really know. The other big issue, is that they still need to raise about R960m, but I don't understand why, and whether this is still on the table