Okay - Explain to me how the Motor Industry Investment Plan is not a direct subsidy? (The likes of which we have never seen in agriculture)& despite this our Motor Industry remains uncompetitive. Now as for Nqura (Coega for the non-Xhosa / San speakers)when will it fill up with investors? Still waiting for that smelter to arrive, still waiting for a lot of birds to land.... Nqura is simplay a facilitator for investment, apart from the construction & maintenance of the port. PE is far from CPT & Durban - not really connected by good rail links, expensive to export through due to passing ship frequency. PE will find its "Thing" but it still has a way to go before it does that. OMO