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Valued Contributor
all the details as announced by Minister Nene in the budget speech today
http://blog.justonelap.com/tax-free-savings-accounts-tfsa/
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Super Contributor
Will OST have this account and if so will there be the same monthly fee every month as the normal OST account? Will this account be excluded from personal return each year, or does it have to be included in the Tax return? Thanks.
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Super Contributor
Ok - got my TFSA open. Now what to do? Questions I need clarity on: Can I transfer my 30K in one lump sum at the beginning of the year, or am I limited to 2.5K per month?

I assume there are going to be limitations on what we can buy, and whether one is allowed to trade, as opposed to invest - but will SFM create those limits, as they do on their Auto share Invest account. Or is the onus on us? I imagine all will become clear soon.
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Chopchop
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You can only buy ETF's in that account, I emailed them and they sent me a list of the ETF's available for the TFSA. Interesting thing is the DBX US, and the Euro 50 and other 100% offshore ETF's are in there. I thought they would put a cap on offshore investment like the regulation 28 funds, but seems we can invest 100% of the R30 000 offshore. @Blik everything I've read says you can put the whole R30 000 in immediately no limit of R2500 a month. I see old mutual has an option that if you invest the full R30 000 in their funds you only pay 0.25% fees which is cheap, cheaper than the OST ETF option, but I'd rather have the ETF's.
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Valued Contributor
yip you can do R30k one shot, but don;t ever go over R30k in a tax year, SARS will charge penalty ..
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Super Contributor
Right so my 30K going in....time to start! If this is a true TFA then I assume that we can Trade in this account, and not incur either CGT or Income Tax....if that be the case, then as Simon said in his webinar, an early Christmas present indeed.
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Regular Contributor
Sorry guys - Is the max in year 1 - R30 000 ? The lifetime saving of R500 000 is thus many years away. I assume one cannot deposit R500 000 upfront (max) with no more deposits?
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Chopchop
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You assume correctly
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Super Contributor
You need to ALWAYS remember its new money - so you cannot transfer in - obviously proceeds of realized investments - on which CGT ( now slightly higher effective rate) can be paid. But this is a no brainer. of course there is no estate duty saving on this - what you have when you die will be reflected as an asset. But given that most people are not thinking about estate equalizations as between spouses this is a great way to build up a separate estate in the hands of the poorer partner in a union. So there is a double CGT saving - each partner has their yearly + exemptions - and everything in the TFS's is free of CGT and of course IT. Need to look at what the bunnies out there are offering but the ETF's are great to have included.
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Super Contributor
Under Instruments menu, SFM has put the list of TFSA ETF products
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Limitless
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can one open such an account for ones kids? and where can you find the constituents of the DBX trackers?
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Super Contributor
According to the Standard Bank website they charge a fee of R10 per month. Reason unspecified. Therefore someone paying in R250 per month loses 4% upfront every month plus the investment fees.
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Not applicable
Hi, will we only be able to trade etf's on the tfsa? or any share?
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Siener
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Investment that will benefit most from tax free savings are ETFs invested in REITs. Now you can get 8% yields tax free, and reinvest IN ADDITION to R30K annual fee. With R30K GCT exemption and only 15% dividend tax, don't see much benefit by investing in normal shares.
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Frequent Contributor
When will be taxed on these accounts? What type of tax would that be?
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Valued Contributor
only estate duty on death
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Super Contributor
So I have opened my TFSA and tranferred R30000 into it. Can one put the whole dollup in one or two etfs or is there a limit per etf?
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Super Contributor
Klapka : "4% upfront" on R250.00 pm gets lost over time as a percentage - as it applies to the entire account - and that is latkes by way of a charge once the money mounts up, besides who do you know who is going to thrown caution to the wind and invest only R250.00 pm? The whole idea is to get this R500 000 AS QUICKLY INVESTED AS YOU CAN...( 16 YEARS AND ONE DAY) . Of course you pay your investment fees... what else do you expect - to get it all for free? My problem so far is that the FINANCIAL PROVIDERS who are offering it - the TFSA are offering a very limited choice - I would like to invest in the ETF's but not only them...That means I will have to have probably three(?) accounts each with its attendant CHARGE. So far Prudential and Standard and Glacier have launched an offering - with Pru charging nothing for the account and offering Net management fees - quite nicely priced - but unfortunately zilch by way of an offshore fund - as yet. Glacier are being coy about what they will offer and Allan Gray - well only they can tell you.
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Valued Contributor
Allan Gray are not offering tfsa
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Super Contributor
They say not this tax year - I have just asked them - its the performance fee that is holding them back ...
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