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Running_bull
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John, think you are onto something there! maybe ill use my profits from gold trading this year to open up a chappy holdings company. Gold under the matress is UN-comfortable, i prefer trading it. i see what you are trying to get at but its quite bias. Bad trading experiences? or just hate the nutters thinking its sure profits?
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Wizard
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If u made R10 mil on the Economic prosperity that lasted up to year 2000 u probably wanted to retire and wanted capital preservation. During the economic downturn the past 10 years and increase in inflation u decide to put your money in Gold. You 10 mil would have been worth now R30 mil. Well Done! You still smiling!
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very cool ,very very cool , we gona have to explain this sums to Si ( SimonPB )
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SimonPB
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so gold is up 300% in the last 8 years. With no income, and expenses as you have to secure it. Many stocks up 300% (even at current levels) since 2000, an they cost nothing and pay out income. heck the Topi probably up some 300%, depending when you start the 2000 start date.
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Interesting article about relation of gold price to t-bills and dollar at http://news.goldseek.com/Zealllc/1224864419.php.
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Wizard
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I'm talking about the general relationship between the DOW(overall for stocks) and GOLD. General investments .something an investment fund will be widely diversified with. Our market is another story all together. Compare apple with apple!
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SimonPB
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why must you compare gold with the Dow? Surely with another commodity would be better? Plat or oil?
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barry_1
Super Contributor
Hmmmmm,gold holding its own today?.......people becoming skittish 'bout paper currencies?
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john_1
Super Contributor
Barry one up day does not a trend make...it needs to go back up to 780 to test the break of support that happened this last week..
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Wizard
Super Contributor
Because they are inversely proportional to each other. Over the longer term when the one is rising the other one falling. They reach peak and bottom more or less at the same time. Over the longer term Gold Oil and Plat are all commodities move in the same direction and the relationship between them is insignificant.
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SimonPB
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fair comment, but if gold is broken, then the relationship also broken ?
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Wizard
Super Contributor
That relationship won't be broken unless the supply demand of Gold is hugely distorted. But even under those circumstances the old relationship will be reestablished and everything will be back to normal just on a different price ratio.
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John, 780 eh? Looks like you've been doing some analysis on gold price. Have we got a gold bull in disguise here? You rubbing your gold bar in secret at home every evening?
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john_1
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just reading my daily updates from MM.....The dollar surged further yesterday, pushing the euro to a two-year low, the pound to a five-year low, and the rand to a six-and-a-half year low. Emerging market and commodity currencies remain weak and the dollar has broken above our target resistance level of 10.90 to the rand. This level is now support and the new resistance levels are R11.90, R12.40 then R13.55. We think that the rally being undertaken by the US dollar index (844) is still in its infancy. Accordingly, we remain dollar bulls (we also like charts of the yen and see the Japanese unit as an alternative safehaven currency). The perceived flight to quality, combined with weaker commodities markets, has pushed gold below two key support trendlines (at $780 on the weekly chart and $750 on the daily chart). The chart below shows our new downside target equal to primary bull market support at $620 (and rising). We are near-term bears but remain long-term bulls. Gold has now joined the ranks of other precious and base metals by breaking below support. Put differently, we now dislike all metals without exception. An alarming statistic that we saw yesterday is that the Baltic dry freight index (1355) has had only one up day in the past 22, and has collapsed by 89 percent since May's peak of 12000. World equity markets continue to seesaw: national benchmark indices fell yesterday in all 18 western European markets, except for Iceland. Most are still above last week's lows but a couple, such as Spain's Ibex (8995), which lost 8% yesterday, are at fresh multi-year lows. The JSE all share index (20289) is also still above last Tuesday's low of 20095. If this is broken on a daily closing basis, our new target will be 18300, some 10% below yesterday's close. The S&P500 (897) is at its lowest level since April 2003 and all 30 constituents of the Dow Jones industrial (8519) ended lower. We remain dollar and yen bulls and are bearish about pretty much everything else.
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john_1
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todays...All 48 of the developed and emerging equity markets tracked by MSCI have declined in 2008. 22 have dropped by 50% or more, including the JSE all share (18459) which, in dollar terms, is down 61% year-to-date. Russia has been the worst performer, down 73%, and Morocco the best, down by just 6%. Last week, the MSCI world index (872) of 23 developed markets fell by 8.3% while the MSCI emerging markets index (474), which has 25 constituents, dropped by 17%. All 24 industry groups in the S&P500 (877) lost ground, driving the composite to a 6.8% loss for the week. Month-to-date, the S&P500 is down by 25%. The bears thus remain firmly in control. That said, we are watching the current 8350 area on the chart of the Dow Jones industrial average (8379) as we see a reasonable support level here, formed between 2001 and 2003. But the strong, well-established support level that provides primary support is at 7500 (see chart above). This dates back to 1997 and provides the bottom of the `box' that we spoke about last week. It is the next support level below 8350, and will be our new target if 8350 breaks suggesting weakness of a further 10%.
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