Hi Simon I think if I ran a tipster service and I emphasise the good tips and told my subscribers to forgive me the bad calls, well I would be in business but then my clients would not believe me in the long run. Why the EXX and AGL calls were particularly bad is that the technicals were shouting caution going long. Yesterday I received a message "we expect a recovery today". This clearly while the Dow for one was taking strain. Now when you but your cards on the table and make a call I assume you take the responsibility to say - eish guys bad call - be extremely cautious in future or something to that extent - having a long disclaimer does not cut it for me. So that is why ignore their tips