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AUTO BAIL OUT FAILS

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surely this upward swing must be short lived? everything is calling for a drop!
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SimonPB
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dow futures off the lows at -2.6% (was about -3.6% earlier).
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SimonPB
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lol, your arguement was goign great - until the hummer comment. Hummer exactly spells out the problem.
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Ninja
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Dow futures down 3%, ftse down 3%, JSE top 40 futures down 2.95%....yet the alsi rallying.....I smell a rat.....
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SimonPB
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but the Q is, are you short the rat, or long the rat ?
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DST
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It isnt a problem. The Hummer was specked from the getgo to be way way way too big for those dang little niches, ya see. Niches are for sissies who wanna pay dividends and weird stuff like that.
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Ninja
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Rats are to be avoided at all costs - be it short house rats or long cane rats.....am short 30 on NPN from 169 and am thinking its time to take profit and exit......I've got a bad feeling that this market is going to do something very rat like and not even remotely linked to logic.
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theyoungster
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heavy weights like agl and sol keeping us going...right simon?
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SimonPB
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nope, we are red today. So nothing keeping us up.
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SimonPB
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Ninja, there is no logic and no rules here. That be a truth, just trade the price.
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Ninja
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Simon....not sure what you mean by trade the price.....don't we set stop losses and profit targets on where we think the price will go considering intra market analysis, ta support and resistance etc?
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SimonPB
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yes we do, and that is tradign the price. In other words ignore everything expect the price.
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Ninja
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Cool....thats sound advice and I guess a discipline essential to succesful trading - very easy to start trading on fear. By the way thanks for your excellent intro to futures course down here in Cape Town earlier this year.....I have never looked back - trading is far more rewarding/exciting than my 9 to 5.
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Werner_1
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Pretoria - General Motors Corporation (GM) is already insolvent and a chapter 11 bankruptcy filing is inevitable. That was the warning from the bond market in the US on Friday last week when the bonds of GM tumbled to trade at only a fraction of their face value. This is a sure sign of a pending chapter 11 bankruptcy. GM has three outstanding corporate bonds. The 8.375% coupon bond is due in 2033, the 7.7% coupon is due 2016, and the 8.25% bond is due in 2023. The prices of all these bonds slumped to a similar value of 11c in the dollar on Friday. When there's a similar price for bonds with different coupons and maturities, it's normally a sure sign of a pending Chapter 11 bankruptcy application. Meanwhile at Ford things are not looking much better. The price of its 7.45% bond which matures in 2031 dropped to 17c on the dollar. Let me explain. A bond with a coupon of 8.75% promises to pay the bearer $8.75 per annum for every $100 nominal value held. But $100 nominal was trading at only $11 on Friday. That is an effective running yield of $8.75/11 x100 or 79.5% that an investor can earn on a bond of GM. Seen from a different perspective, if GM wanted to borrow new money from the private sector, it would have to offer investors an interest rate of 80% or more. That will cripple any company and will guarantee its eventual demise. GM, America's largest manufacturing concern, is insolvent. The possible $5bn or $10bn of emergency funding from the White House is going to be exactly that. Emergency funding that is going to postpone the inevitable by a few hours, perhaps days but not many weeks. The bond market is warning than GM is worth 11c in the dollar. Wall Street, where the shares are still trading at $4 apiece and values this massive manufacturer at $2.4bn is wrong. Bonds rank ahead of ordinary shares in liquidation, and the bonds are valued at only 11c in the dollar. The shares of GM are worthless. If you do believe like some of the executives at GM that some sort of a long term miracle is about to happen, buy the GM bonds at 11c in the dollar for a running yield of 80% instead of the ordinary shares that will not pay a dividend again in your life time, even if you are a youngster. Bill gates, founder of Microsoft, recently said that it is wrong for a government to invest in an industry from which the private sector has shied away. The bond prices and yields tell us that the US auto industry is such a sector. -> http://www.fin24.com/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=1518-2387-2409_2442189&IsColumn...
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SimonPB
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talk is that bush will give them money from the US$700million they got earlier for TARP assets in the banks. Washington Post has an excellent article on how well the japanese auto makers are doing is the USA, expanding production rather then going broke.
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as per bloomberg, gm can no longer file chapter 11 and has to go for chapter 10 and that is full bankcuptcy they have appointed bankcruptcy lawyers last week monday they are preparing for the worst
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barry_1
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Can the water thing not be over blown?....Remember the sea has vast amounts of water,waiting to be purified and re-cycled!
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